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'We want a secular state'

'No place' for prejudice against gays

Labour leader Joseph Muscat at the end of his party's 10-day general conference yesterday. Photo: Matthew Mirabelli.

Labour's new movement for progressives and moderates wanted a state that was friendly with the Church but not at one with it, party leader Joseph Muscat said yesterday.

"The movement aspires to a secular state," he said. The state would not interfere in the choices of individuals. He was speaking at the end of a 10-day general conference that unanimously approved a motion laying the foundations for Dr Muscat's promised movement.

This movement, he said, would not shy away from changing Malta's Constitution to reflect the needs of today's society.

However, the Constitution would remain the guiding document and no changes would be made to "strategic principles", primarily the fundamental concept of neutrality. In an hour-long speech, Dr Muscat said his party had chosen the path of challenge and change rather than keeping things the way they were.

"Today we are rewriting the history of the country because, when it found itself at a crossroads, the PL chose to take the ambitious, visionary and futuristic road."

Dr Muscat said the movement would bring together progressives and moderates who wanted to make changes for the better. "They might not agree on everything but know that the future lies in this movement," he said, insisting that the movement would not replace the party.

In a speech that the Nationalist Party yesterday criticised for touching on many subjects without delving deeply into any in particular, Dr Muscat said the new movement would work to give women a bigger role in a male-dominated world.

The movement wanted a state which did not place more burdens on the family and which took action to stop monopolies and duopolies that led to abusive price increases.

He spoke about the importance of having a sustainable pension system and stressed that the pension problem could not just be solved by raising the retirement age.

He highlighted the need to set up structures to protect the elderly, including laws that would lay down harsher penalties for violence against old people. "We need to introduce a concept of vulnerability," he said, adding that regulations were also needed to ensure that old people were not abused by their families.

The new movement would work towards providing high quality, timely and free healthcare, and also work in favour of the middle class while sticking up for the poor.

The present high level of taxes was not sustainable, he added.

He said the movement was also committing itself to allow freedom of expression. "Democracy also means the right to speak out without the fear of intimidation."

He reiterated his pledge to introduce a Bill on divorce and give Labour MPs a free vote if elected to power, because he believed that everyone should have the right to a second chance if their first marriage did not work out.

There was no place in the movement, he said, for people who were prejudiced against gays or against those who wanted to form a family after their first marriage had broken down.

In a statement issued yesterday afternoon, the Nationalist Party said Dr Muscat did not come up with a single concrete proposal or a course of action he intended to take if elected to government.

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Richard Galea(on 10/2/10)
While believers choose to submit to God.....The STATE must submit to the our rights......

Richard Galea.

Herman Meilak(on 9/2/10)
@ Joe Xuereb

What confusion!!! Reading newspapers during mass, kazini, ross fil-forn, prostitutes, Polish pimps. However it was fun reading such an unusual sense of humour!
Joe Xuereb(on 9/2/10)
2) And the same goes for the Maltese celebration of Mass of a Sunday. Full of allsort but not the pimps, etc. (see further back) in Soho. Brompton Oratory too has its Maltese adherents - at least this one feels like a Maltese church, all pseudo-baroque and curlicues - and afterwards they go to the pub (very English) - not unlike the Maltese who cannot wait to get away and into the Kazin and a bash at card-playing and a couple of bottles before home to wifey and 'ross fil-forn'. So you see Meilaq? Meilak? numbers have to be interpreted. Without passion.
The moral of all this is that Politics and the priesthood are career-moves from which I would be excluded, and I would exclude myself in any case, because I am too searingly honest. The two professions mentioned are too self-seekingly about weilding, and retaining, power at al costs for my liking. I prefer to have a life, often miserable. But at least a misery of my own choice. Playing the victim is such a short-changing attitude. And gets one nowhere fast. All this, expressed in plain English, may be difficult to grasp but that is hardly my fault.
Joe Xuereb(on 9/2/10)
1)@ Herman - how sweet! with all due respect, very modern modern Maltese Christian name. Not unlike mine, an old modern name but at least Christian - Meilak. The fullness of the churches you go on about is still a drop in the ocean. In London I sometimes venture into a catholic church (stritly as a social observer, you understand. I haven't crossed myself in donkeys' years except to chase away my demons) and it is full of Filipinos, depending on the area and drawing a congreagation. It's a 'people-far-from-home-and-coming-together-for-comfort' phenomenon. Same with the Polish community up the road in Ealing Broadway, London. The church chock-a-block full and sweetly, even the parvis is full with guys reading the paper while 'assisting' Mass. Very 'la Maltija'. It is said that the worst Catholic is a Pole and an Italian. I don't know about the Italians - I do actually, empty churches and all that - but maybe the Polish numbers have picked up since Poland produced a pontiff. Maybe. In the meantime, Between Ealing Broadway and where I live, the street and squares are awash with Polish pimps and their assorted prostitutes of allsorts. You cannot win them all Herman.
cont./
Herman Meilak(on 9/2/10)
@Charles Sammut

"Christianity has been but a passing phase and has now been all but expunged from mainland Europe"

Expunged means completely obliterated. My brother who lives in Germany goes to mass every Sunday, sometimes in Germany & at other times in Luxembourg and the churches are always full! My 2 aunts, 1 from Norfolk, the other from Hampshire (England) go to Catholic mass and also there the churches are always full! St. Peter's (Vatican City) is always full of people of different nationalities whenever the Pope deliveres a speech. And in Spain last October, millions of Christians protesting against Zapatero's new abortion laws. Oh, maybe I'm mistaken then, Spain, Germany, Luxembourg, the Vatican & England are not on mainland Europe.
Joe Xuereb(on 9/2/10)
F'dawn is-siltiet ta' hawn taht, li kitbuhom wejdiet differenti, dak li jghaggibni, u joffendini, u jiddizappuntani, u jnikkitni hu l-livell tal-MaltMali kif jiktbuh illum. Kwazi kwazi taqbadni bhal roghda meta nieqaf u nisthajjel kif il-Malti miktub hawn jitkellmuh illum il-gurnata.

Malti li halla l-pajjizu daqsxejn ta' tfajjel, nofs seklu ilu, ftit wara li ra l-missieru mkisser u meqrud bl-interdett u dubji w twerwir iehor. Ghaddew hamsin sena u ghadna hawn. Malta, Malta ta' zoghziti fejn int? X'sar minnek nkiss nkiss waqt li jien kont qed inhares in-naha l-ohra? Naf li z-zmien isajjar il-bajtar u jbatti l-blat, li xejn ma jieqaf; imma qatt ma stennejt bajtra daqshekk morra, nixxiegha xejn helwa (anzi smajt li nixxfuha apposta biex jibnu.....)
(Loosely translated, this is reminiscing about things Maltese - including a beautiful language - and how it and other things have deteriorated in the last fifty years when I left these Maltese shores as a young lad.
C.Attard(on 8/2/10)
"Hanzir taqtaghlu denbu hanzir jibqa"...Dment li jibqa' Gonzi nibqghu fil-grazzja t'Alla, xhin appena jitla il-Labour ---means disaster to Malta.... Labour yes Labour....fejn hi din il-kelma?Qed nibzaw nuzawha biex nahbu il-passat....? Alistajkun Minalikom li ser taghmlu xi bidla radikali fil-partit u li se toffru alternativa ahjar, sempliciment billi tiksu il faccata b'bidliet artificjali (nitfu it torca, ninhbew wara moviment taparsi modern u kif ukoll nahbu il kelma Labour)....? Kif jista jdan issejjah Moviment gdid b nies antiki b'karigi gholja fil-partit bhal Toni Abela, Anglu Farrugia u Trigona? Dawn huma il pariri li qed ittik il konsulenta il gdida sur J.Muscat? litteralment inqablek ma flixkun inbid cheap li hemm xi hadd qed jipprova jgezwru biex jipprova jbieghu b'tiketta moderna,.. biex tabilhaqq jidher ahjar...Le sur J Muscat trid taqbez l-40 biex tilhaq prim Ministru...
Joseph (Joe) Grima(on 8/2/10)
@ James Grima. Sorry il kumment tieghek immissjajtu. Int ghandek ragun tahseb li l'PN dejjem iddefenda l-knisja ghax fil verita hekk hu. Imma ddefenda l-knsija dejjem wara li dawwar kliem u ghemil il mexxejja Laburisti u rnexxielu jwemmen lin nies li dawn kienu kontra l'Knisja u kontra Alla - gidba nazzjonali assoluta li taghha, jekk hemm infern, diga popolat minn Nazzjonalisti ta dak iz zmien. Hadd mill memxxejja Labiristi qatt ma kein kontra l-knisja. Bosta minnhom, specjalment Mintoff, ma kienx lest ihalli lill Partit jghaddi mill martirju li l-Knisja u l'PN flimkien, specjalment fi zmein l-arcisqof Gonzi, kienu qed ihejju ghalih u rrezista.. Il paci storika bejn Mintoff u l-Vatikan uriet kemm il knisja Maltijka kienet retrograda, kemm kienet imdahhla fil politika li ma kenitx postha u kemm Mintoff, bis sitt punti tieghu kellu ragun u kemm fehem iz zmienijiet. Il parir tieghi hu: tergghux tilghabu dik il loghba. Joseph Muscat mhux furjuz bhal ma kien Mintoff u mhux se jtikom vantaggi gratwiti. Dak gej mill kampanja u ghandu l'intelligenza u l'astuzja li ghandhom in nies tal irhula. Joseph ghad idawwar crieki madwar il PN li jghaddu s-snin qabel ma l- PN jinduna. Lestu ruhkom ghal tkaxkira nobis.
Joseph (Joe) Grima(on 8/2/10)
@Alexander Morana. Jien bil Malti ktibt. M'hemmx f'hiex nitfixklu. Ghall PN tas snin tletin meta twieled is solgan Religio e Patria, Religio kienet ir Religjon Kattolika Appostoliika Rumana imma l-Patria kienet il Patria ta Mussolini, l'Italja, mhux Malta. Wahda m'ghandhiex x'taqsam mal ohra. U allura toqghodx thallat il bejha biex thawwad in nies. In nies mhumiex stupidi.
Alexander Morana(on 8/2/10)
Sur Joe Grima, kif dahalt lill Mussolini f-nofs, mal-knisja Kattolika Maltija? Anzi Mussolini kellu pat tajjeb mal-knisja (Lateran Concordat ta' 1929 http://www.biblelight.net/wound.htm) Kien Sur Mintoff zamm lill Malta lura b- Socjalizmu tieghu, meta hu kellu cans separa lis-stat mill mal-Knisja.
James Grima(on 8/2/10)
Kien hemm persuni li semmew b mod indirett l interdett. Fl opinjoni tieghi l interdett kien zball. Zball ghax holoq speci ta pseudo-martri, li meta dawn l istess persuni hadu il gvern, kienu waslu lill- pajjiz in a brink of a civil war. L interdett kien dirett biex iwiddeb lil min kien imqareb. Imma kien falliment. @Joseph Grima. Hares lejn il kostituzjoni, u it tradizjoni Maltija taghna u tiehu risposta habib. Il PN dejjem iddefenda id drittijiet tar Religjon, u ta pajjizna. Hu lil Eddie Fenech Adami, Giorgio Borg Olivier, u Dr. Gonzi, u tara il personaggi distinti inklinati lejn il hajja tipika Maltija. Ma min tridi ixxebahhom? Ma Mintoff? Ma Sant? Ma Joe? Alla hares qatt habib. U taf ghaliex.
Joe Xuereb(on 8/2/10)
I believe that at the root of all this is...... I am not sure how much of a hold the fear of 'fire and brimstone' has on the people generally, in Malta. It cannot be as strong as it once was. However, judging by comments here, it looks like the faction is still considerable. It's not so much about dreaming of an eternal existence sitting in the presence of a divinity (surely there cannot be many who go all weak at the knees at THAT proposal. come on!!). No, it's the fear of eternal fire that holds people in such a terrible stranglehold. And when an individual truly believes in this divine retribution, well, he is well and truly held over a barrel by anyone who wants him to eat off his hand, manipulate him, get his vote, etc. Anyone in fact, who has the power to eloquently put the fear of god into the wretch and exercises that terrible power. Whoever conjured up this concept of Hell - never mind Heaven - has a lot to answer for. This is a great stumbling block indeed. Extensively practised, as I understand, in Malta and the Philippines but nowhere else.
Dr. John Zammit(on 8/2/10)
Progressives and moderates my foot! If you want to be truly progressive join the Alleanza Liberali, like many are doing, because Labour has lost its principles and does not know which direction they want to go. http://worldtv.com/alleanza_liberali_malta
Erin Ciantar(on 8/2/10)
I need some more details on how JM intends to achieve these goals however I am all for a secular state and am willing to give him my vote for the first time if he explain his plan of action. Keep it up Jm. At least we're discussing a lot of important topics now.
Joseph (Joe) Griima(on 8/2/10)
Here we go again. Religio e Patria li jibghatuna lura ghal zmien il faxxizmu f'Malta u dawk li ghalihom, il Patria kienet dik ta Mussolini. Interessanti kif zviluppaw il kummenti. Minn Zapatero il Lajk li bdejna bih spiccajna b'Joseph kontra l-Knisja u r-religjon Kattolika. Minn zmien Mintoff, meta tal muzew telghu Ghawdex bis sfafar biex ma jhalluhx jitkellem, sal purfum fit toroq fejn kien jghaddi hu, ghat talb fil pjazez biex Alla jtella lin Nazzjonalisti fil Gvern, l'isterja religjuza f'pajjizna, fomentata minn esponenti Nazzjonalisti, ma tieqafx. Logika. Fejn baqghalu jmur il PN? Mhux refugjat f'dirghajn l Knisja biss? Il Knisja tizbalja jekk ma titghallem xejn mill passat taghha. . l'Apologisti ghall PN ghadhom ma ndunawx kemm il, poplu taghna nbidel, kemm in nies saru jifhmu iktar lill min irid jingannahom billi jzeffen ir religjjon fil politika. JKif ghedt qabel f'kitba iktar l'isfel, Joseph Muscat huwa nifs gdid u ecitanti fil politika maltija. Li stat lajk li jrid huwa wisq iktar accettabbli ghall Maltin tal lum minn stat li jinqeda bil knisja meta jkollu bzonnha biss. Stat lajk jara separazzjoni bejn Knisja u Amministrazzjoni imma f'rispett reciproklu assolut ghad dmirijeit u d-doveri ta xulxin..
lgalea(on 8/2/10)
James Grima Religjon u Patria. I-tnejn huma tassew ghal qalb il-PN. Religjon dejjem uzawha kontra l-avversarji politici taghhom. Strickland, Mintoff, KMB, Alfred Sant, Joseph. Patria, tant hija ghal qalbhom li l-ewwel riedu jaghmlu lil Malta bicca mill-Itaja bhala provincja ta' Sqallija, u issa gabuna bicca kolonja tal-Unjoni Ewropea. E.Muscat What quattraine/century? J Martinelli If elected? Just wait for the next election Martinelli.
c. camilleri(on 8/2/10)
Hoping to get that seat of PM by default Joseph is just running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. He tries to please everyone at the same time and hurt no one. But with all those outdated faces around him how can the moderates trust him. The moderates could only be attracted to the L P if G.Abela had been elected leader. He enjoys their trust because of his actions and not frivolous words.
Daniel Vella(on 8/2/10)
@James Grima "Let us not forget how the Maltese hold dearly the religion" Jien Malti, gej minn familja Maltija (ommi, missieri u n-nanniet kollha), u le - I "don't hold dearly the religion" at all... Mela ma tistax titkellem fuq il-Maltin kollha (u bhali hawn HAFNA, nista' nassigurak) Mhux se nghidlek tibqax temmen, imma ma tistax ggelni nemmen bilfors. U qabel ma ssaqsi, kont mrobbi go familja Kristjana u kont mmur skola tal-Knisja r-Rabat, pero' tlift il-fidi kollha ta' 15-il sena meta bdejt nirrealizza li r-religjon taghmel iktar hsara milli gid
Joe Xuereb(on 8/2/10)
What I think about this speech I've already amply expressed. I WOULD EXPRESS THE SAME VIEWS ON ANY SPEECH BY ANYONE TRYING, ALONG THE SAME LINES, TO GAIN PREMIERSHIP BY GARNERING VOTES. That is that out of the way. So I'll move on. What disturbs and disappoints is the brigade of commentators clamouring 'We are Catholic/Christian, we like it that way'. ? I think we've all heard of 'divide and rule'. It works like a charm, especially in tiny Malta. Especially in tiny Malta.The planet has multiple problems. Malta is on the planet. But Malta is not THE planet. Its problems are cosmic, reverberating elsewhere and everywhere else. And I think that what Malta needs is a clear-thinking, mature Administration, uniting all of the mature/maturing voting public. Identitfy problems and seek solutions. This can happen unless spokes are thrown in the wheels by those persistently invested, heavily, in tooth-fairies. When this happens, and it has done repeatedly, that is when I will have to walk away, calmly rinsing my hands in an ambulant 'trepied' (wash-stand). I am no Job's-lot after all. And most certainly no Job. That I leave to the dyed-in-the-wool 'live-in-hope-die-in-sorrow' types.
P. Schembri(on 8/2/10)
@James Grima. Fi kliemek diga qieghed turi diskriminazzjoni mieghi u ma' min hu bhali, li hawn hafna. Tkellem ghalik siehbi. Ghalhekk il-Partit tieghek mhux il-Partit tieghi. Lili qieghed jeskludini barra kull darba li jghid "Ahna Partit tar-Religio et Patria".
J Farrugia(on 8/2/10)
@ RH BUGEJA - so you admit that your new labour party movement is all for being against catholic teachings. Pro-divorce, pro gays and lesbians,. pro abortion, pro euthanasia. With people like these, where is the place of those catholic labour party members of parliament or are they spineless critters to let their lives be moved by their leader? There must be not second chances for those who destroy their marriages.
Robert Callus(on 8/2/10)
@James Grima "ma ninsewx il motto tal Partit Nazjonalista, li huwa "Patria, u Religjon". Dan il motto jixhed li il PN kien, huwa, u jibqa il partit ta Malta, u tal Maltin." Are you saying that someone like me who is agnostic, as well as other non-catholics are not Maltese people? Is there a party for the Non-Maltese, Maltese people?
James Grima(on 8/2/10)
Guys, JM is serious. We have to beware of his and of his "party". Irridu niftakru li ahna pajjiz Kattoliku, u hekk irridu nibqghu. Let us not forget how the Maltese hold dearly the religion.We do not want another Zapatero, or another Holland. No sir!!! Irridu ma ninsewx il motto tal Partit Nazjonalista, li huwa "Patria, u Religjon". Dan il motto jixhed li il PN kien, huwa, u jibqa il partit ta Malta, u tal Maltin. Gvern Laburista? Le grazzi, kuntenti b li ghandna, u kif ahna :)
Charles Sammut(on 8/2/10)
@ C Attard

"Maltese have Christian roots "

Please do not keep perpetrating this fallacy. Malta's and Europe's roots are Pagan. Christianity has been but a passing phase and has now been all but expunged from mainland Europe. Malta, as usual, will be a few years behind.

This country is run by a Prime Minister who was the President of the Azzjoni Kattolika and his Permanent Secretary who was the Secretary General of the Azzjoni Kattolika. Just read his CV http://www.doi.gov.mt/en/press_releases/2004/10/pr1545a.asp

Joseph Muscat is a breath of fresh air in this musty country. He might still be young and inexperienced, but he does not take his orders from Archbishop & Bishop Co. Ltd.
Joe Xuereb(on 8/2/10)
And it gets more interesting by the minute. Apologies to those marginalised first time round. Namely:
Women - more empowerment in a patriarchal society (including the consideration of introduction of divorce option when they're beaten by their menfolk).
Pensioners - we mustn't forget society's sitting ducks, ever grateful for crumbs - for votes.
Capped food prices - wonderful. Gets better.
The middle-class must be sustained and the poor helped along.
I think baby age human ducklings were forgotten. Promise them a nappy change, guaranteed, whenever needed and they'll be clamouring for a vote in no time at all. Nappies, tax-free as also guaranted boners and doggy-bags for the dogs. Circle squared!
And, lest we forget, a reminder of the marginalised, those honoured first time round:
Gays, now free to move abroad - advisable - if they so wish. Their votes lost. Forever.
The godly, offered a parallel existential sop but not quite.
And the Church, ditto. Even though talk of a secular Malta is pie in the sky, a very long way away (but powerless promises are cheap of course). With censored lyrics?! Whatever next?Come on sonny!. It's a bit more complicated than all this and you know it.
P. Schembri(on 8/2/10)
@C.Attard. Nahseb ghandek zball hawn siehbi. Il-Partit tieghek hu ta' l-ifferocjati. Kull m'ghandek taghmel hu li taqra l-kummenti tan-Nazzjonalisti bhalek, u tara x'arroganza ghandhom. Taghkom biss tajjeb, u li qisu dritt mibghut minn Alla li tiggvernaw intom biss. Hares lejn il-Gvern tieghek, u tara b'liema mod ifferocjat qieghed jiggranfa mas-siggu tal-poter, akkost ta' kollox, anke li jiehu 20 gurnata leave mill-Parlament biex jara kif ser isolvi l-problema li ghandu dwar il-backbenchers, u dwar il-mod kif bezaq fuqna t-tariffi l-godda tad-dawl u ta' l-ilma. Hares madwarek u tara min hu l-ifferocjat. Ma tistax tikkritika lill-Gvern, ghax malajr iduru fuqek u jkissruk moralment, u jassassinawlek il-karattru. Staqsihom l-NGO's li qeghdin jippruvaw jipprotegu n-naqra art li baqaghlna!
Leo Bartolo(on 8/2/10)
There goes a great man of great vision
RH BUGEJA(on 8/2/10)
@ C.Attard
When will you wake up and see th light? Why do you prefer staying in the dark? Why don't you want to let the people of Malta enjoy their fundamental right to choice what they want to do and who they want to be? Why do you want to involve the church in state-related issues? You are the real hypocrites who prefer being stuck in the dark and leave people without any rights so you can push them and kick them in which direction you want! Yes,we want freedom! Freedom from corruption, freedom from an obsessive religious state, freedom to be who want to be and become a true European State and not a medieval state which forms part of a 21st century European Union. Stop looking for the dust in other people's eyes and find a way, once and for all, how to remove that large log which is blinding you!! Labour means Freedom!

@ J.Farrugia
Please do not be ridiculious by stating something so low like you did. Only kids talk that way. I suggest, that come next election, you keep your money in your wallet and do not place bets in favour of your party!
Andrew Battenti(on 8/2/10)
Dr. Joseph Muscat's "secular state" lies precisely halfway between a hypercritical state whose image is cast in the idol of church hierarchy, and a neo-bolshevism that increasingly resembles classical paganism. What Malta needs is a return to the true vine of Orthodoxy, as taught by the early Church fathers.
J Martinelli(on 8/2/10)
He wants to serve God and the devil at the same time!

Words, more words - a blurred vision and no plans one can judge him by. Slippery as an eel.

Party, Moviment, - call it what you want - I call it a patchwork of old and older which will show its true colours should it be elected!
C.Attard(on 8/2/10)
Il-Partit tal-Progressivi u Moderati qed jilbes libsa ta' moviment gdid, izda wara li jitla fl-elezzjoni il-probabbilta hi li jsir il-Partit tal-Agressivi u fferocjati...
Ax history repeats itself: meta jitilghu zgur li se jahsbu fijom infusom u fin-nies taghhom biss bhal ma ghamlu fil-passat ricenti, u kummenti qabel l-elezzjoni ta 2008: li n-nazzjonalisti ahjar imorru jghidu ir-ruzarju jixhdu dan...
Maltese have Christian roots and its better if keep close to those values, u ninjorawom biex taparsi insiru moderni, ikun ifisser li mmorru ferm aktar lura milli il quddiem!!!!
J Farrugia(on 8/2/10)
Well you want a secular state far away from the Church. Then your place will be forever in Opposition.
Dillon Bugeja(on 8/2/10)
I presume that the opposition leader can permit me to adjust his statement.
What we need (and not wanting) is a humanistic state. A state which camoflauges all the multi-dimensionality of the person.
Secularism is just advocating the most shallow dimension of the human person and so transfroming the island in its new form of 'religious' milieu.
I just hope that populist statements may be transformed for the advent of positive personalism not only in precepts but in the concrete living.
Karl Abela(on 8/2/10)
All this can easily be summed up very nicely into one sentence:

Give me your vote, and if we are in govenment we will do alot of things, but we dont know what to do and how to do it.
Daniel Vella(on 8/2/10)
GonziPN has shown us that it is a weak government. Cannot wait for the next elections (and this is coming from someone who is not interested in politics at all)....
What I don't agree with is giving the Labour MPs a free vote. I think this should be a matter for the country as a whole (even though personally I would vote for it)
E.Muscat(on 8/2/10)
@A.Borg:your leader's suggestions answered:
1) already answered:it is called Zapatero
2) that needs 2/3 majority and nobody will ever get it again.
3)what are they, the principles I mean?Belief in christianity maybe? That is NOT secular.
4)action against monopolies:in a country of 400,000 to have duo- and monoplies is unavoidable.
5) what is the concept of vulnerability?:we are the most progressive state on this matter to the point of ridicule! We even take care of the immigrants, let alone maltese citizens.
6) Allow more freedom of expression:yes more realta,stitching and nadur and libertinagg and drugs, of course
7) Divorce,how about that for a solution?
8) LGBTs please vote for us!
I think I have answered all the points?
D.Galea(on 8/2/10)
@E.Muscat

Stop living in the misunderstand that Secularism is anti-religious...Wake up and smell the coffee, Its NOT! ..Secularism it's religiously neutral...it does away with a hypocrisy that has persisted for centuries past.

To make matters worse its people to think secularism is anti-religious which call for secularism in Islamic countries and speak out against shaira laws.
Mark-Anthony Fenech(on 8/2/10)
If only this could be...
D.Galea(on 8/2/10)
*Rubs eyes* .. am I reading Secular state there? I never thought I would see this day!!! Speaking declaring myself of Christian principles (of course not in the name of Christians et all nor the Church), I've personally have enough of the hypocrisy that is, Everything done by state, right or wrong is done in the name of Christ, but then you see how such some of these decisions are taken and things are done are so unlike our Christian teachings.

What matters is not showing off the number of Christians on these islands, but how genuine they are, may they be fewer, so? What matters is principles teaching and virtues. At least this seems an attempt to step in the right direction.
Joseph Grima(on 8/2/10)
Joseph Muscat was simply brilliant in mapping out a future for a Malta that every Maltese and every Gozitan can aspire to. What else can the PN do now but spin every word he says beyond recognition? This is a defated administration three years before going to the polls, with the PM admitting to trampling on people with ill-prepared, so-called reforms that have left erstwhile comfortably-living middle class families gasping for breath, unable to make ends meet. Joseph Muscat showed yesterday that he has the vision and that he can back that vision with proposals for a better Malta. If the PN want to see him put his money where his mouth is, as they repeatedly say, all that Dr Gonzi has to do is to call an early election and, for the following five years and for several multiples of that, he can just watch Joseph deliver a better country and a better way of life to the Maltese. Yesterday, in his hour-long speech, Joseph Muscat did not mention Dr Gonzi once. It could have been strategy but my reading was that, yesterday morning, Joseph Muscat consigned the PM to the irrelevance he deserves.
E.Muscat(on 8/2/10)
We have a Zapatero in the making:Divorce and Gay laws!The secular state is an aimless invention with no reference bearings just get elected and tell them nothing what you intend to do (because he does not know?) and just declare policies which will garner more votes and then reap the whirlwind as Spain is doing under Zapatero (who is now in charge in EU for 6 months:maybe why J.Muscat is referring so much to our 2017?).He thinks he can handle the Church in Malta and the Vatican for that matter:it requires a Mintoff to do that which he certainly isn't . And the times in future are not in his favour :we will see all the socialist inspired regimes falling (UK,Spain,Greece,etc).
He has a last card:the immigrants, as Zapatero has done.Will he take it?He will first try to sell it to us by saying that giving them citizenship and the vote will make them leave for greener pastures in Europe! If he succeeds , we will became a massive launch pad for all immigrants from North Africa and again we will reap the whirlwind!(Will Nostradamus's prophesy on Malta take place?)
Eric Gahn(on 8/2/10)
If we are to be a secular state this NEEDS to be written down in the constitution like the fact that we are Neutral country.
A.Borg(on 8/2/10)
PN's reaction is pathetic to say the least. If Joseph Muscat's vision and issues raised during his speech are not concrete proposals or courses of action, then what are they?????

Courses of action:

- Towards a secular state
- Constitutional amendments
- Safeguarding strategic principles
- Action against monopolies or duopolies
- Introduce concept of vulnerability
- Allow wider freedom of expression
- Legislation to introduce divorce
- Broader concept of family

All the above are progressive ideas and no government in recent history dared mentioning them, being considered 'taboos'. Joseph Muscat is projecting a new mentality - PN be careful, you're soon touching the seabed if not already there!

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